The start of spring usually means the start of a new motorcycling season. So I thought this would be a good time to share my thoughts on DVSA’s upcoming motorcycling activities.
Strengthening the CBT team
If you came to one of the recent Compulsory Basic Training (CBT) standards check roadshow events, you would have heard us talking about increasing the number of locally-based CBT managers.
Well this work is well underway; we’ve started training staff in areas that don’t currently have a local CBT manager.
Maintaining the 6-week waiting time
This means that some of our motorcycle examiners need to be at the DVSA Training Academy in Cardington for around 4 weeks.
During this time we’re working closely with our deployment team to achieve our 6 week waiting time target during this short period of staff development.
Moving forward, we’ll aim to continue recruiting and training motorcycle examiner staff. This means we can offer a stronger flexible workforce who can help meet our waiting time targets.
As we aim to improve the support we provide on CBT, we’re also looking to motorcycle trainers to help us. From monitoring the waiting times, we’ve noticed that trainer booking cancellations are still far too high.
In the last 11 months (between March 2015 and the end of February 2016), trainers had handed back over 9,000 Module 1 and almost 7,000 Module 2 test slots within 7 days’ notice. We’ve seen that giving back test slots at an earlier stage can have a positive effect on waiting times, however as the above numbers show there’s still more to be done.
We do appreciate that sometimes you have to cancel bookings; but giving us as much notice as possible will make more test appointments available, making the system fairer for all.
Our aim for the year ahead
Throughout this year, we’ll continue to monitor motorcycle test waiting times and how this affects the trainer booking system. We want to make sure everyone gets the test slots that they want, first time.
We’ll also aim to provide you with better access to a CBT manager by recruiting more staff and keep you up to date with any other matters concerning motorcycle training.
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Comment by paul posted on
ok I'm over 50 done my cbt 8 times in the last 12 years ,2 years I was off the road before it came to be the cbt .I don't want to ride a big bike ,so this means ive got to take the test every 2 years ,well this year ive to took my bike off the road not paying 90 pounds just to stay on the road ,money making thing ,;law needs to change if you've done it over 3 times you should be ok to stay on the road without a other test ,
Comment by Nigel Osborne posted on
DVSA has now (at long last) allowed trainers to "tailor" the CBT to the individual. What they call Client Centred Learning.
It's a fairly new change and the industry hasn't reacted yet, still feeling their way.
But this will, I am sure, lead trainers to increasingly offer a "Repeat CBT" special at much reduced cost, shop around, it may already be in your area.
But, the law does require CBT and that in itself is unavoidable. You don't need training, just to show you're still doing it right though, hence the scope for a quicker / cheaper course.
Of course, if all you want is the little bike and really do believe you're good enough to pass the learner test; you can book your own test - only "big bike" needs the expensive trainer route, you don't have to keep doing CBT, that's your decision.
Comment by Phil R posted on
Paul, I, and I am sure many other trainers find that just because a rider has undertaken a CBT several times does not necessarily make then a rider who knows all that they need to know. People returning to do another CBT after 2 years have often forgotten a lot of what they were taught.
Direct Access Scheme / A2/ A1 students are often surprised at what they didnt know about motorcycling, CBT is exactly that - basic.
Those of us in the motorcycle training industry do not make lots of money, far from it, but most of us are passionate about bikes and keeping bikers alive no matter what size of bike they ride.
CBT is not a test, its a training course, what price your life?
Comment by ALAN WHITLOCK posted on
Paul. Firstly I can understand your frustration, however it might help if you know the background to the CBT course. The CBT law introduced in 1990 saw a 70% reduction of motorcycle accidents. It was introduced as a means of getting bikers safe on the road and giving them a two year window to get a full licence. The spirit of the CBT is that the rider practises their skills to take a full test during those two years.
What has subsequently happened is that some bikers,,like yourself, have used the CBT 'system' to their own advantage and outside the spirit of how it was meant.
Such bikers, like yourself, are left with a choice of continually taking a CBT or taking a test. The practical test is less than the average CBT course (£90.50) and the theory is £25.00. The main advantage of taking your test is of course feedback. You will undoubtedly become a better rider, regardless of your experience so far. Good luck whichever route you choose.
Comment by Biker Baz posted on
Paul (16/03/2016)...you are creating the problem of paying £90:00 every two years. All you had to do was take the Theory, Module 1 & 2 on your small bike job done, no more fees on a CBT course (Its NOT a TEST).
Comment by Rob Burch posted on
I understood that if your licence was of a certain date, you are only required to take the CBT for the first time on the road. I understood it that way as detailed on the back of CBT Certificate, I'm over 50 and only took the test once.
Comment by Terry posted on
I agree with the comment from Paul why when you've been driving over 40 years on a bike for 15 years keep every 2 years doing a CBT, it's the usual easy moneymaking scam. I only use the bike to get to work and have no intensions of getting a bigger bike or wanting an full license.
Comment by A A posted on
It's the muppets on bigger bikes that need a test every few weeks, ideally!
Comment by Ste posted on
The clue is in the name: Compulsory BASIC Training. Take the proper (full) test (once) and get a full licence (permanently): job done. I did, and have no issues with the CBT protocols, and actually think the loophole should be closed. The 2-year period was to give people time to get a proper licence ...
Comment by Biker Baz posted on
AA (16/03/2016) Which part of FOG you talking!!!!!! FACT , OPINION or GUESS and where's you evidence to back your answer up 😉
Comment by kawarider posted on
I agree with Ste' go get yourself a restricted licence, then you can ride your wee bike to your hearts content and even pay less for insurance. Better still go and do advenced training once you've got a licence and find out how much you don't know about motorcycling and become very much safer to yourself and other road users.
Comment by S Mac posted on
I teach CBT'S and full.licence courses. We often get people in to do a 'renewal' cbt. As with newby cbt's you have to complete all elements including the min 2hr road ride element E. The standard of those returning is not always very good considering the person usually has a long term car licence . Those going on to do a full.licence often comment how much they have learnt and how much their driving has improved. On occasions we have not been able to issue a cbt cert for a 'renewal' as the standard of riding is so poor.
As for a money making scheme, the DVSA only gets the £8 cbt cert fee. The rest is to the company who runs the cbt and has to pay staff wages etc.
Comment by SHAUN RYAN posted on
When the Governments own figures show that most rider deaths are caused by drivers, when will ALL new road users have to take a CBT before being permitted to drive on the public highway? Surely such a measure would improve driving standards across the board making roads much safer for all motorists regardless of how many wheels the have.
Comment by malcolm posted on
never heard anything as daft.............
2 year entitlement to take the test........ THEN take a moped OR small bike OR large bike test... and THATS IT.
anybody who thinks any car driver is ok on a small bike or moped... hasn't looked at how some idiots ride.... its for EVERYBODIES PROTECTION
none really, retired now (apart from favours to locals).... put over 400 people through test FIRST TIME and less than a handful of repeat tests or failures (including one woman who continually rode off with the side stand down -- and repeated hints from the examiner who wanted her to pass as she was generally very good..... got her through on 3rd attempt by REMOVING the side stand and leaving the main stand)..... I also used to put through car and truck licences.....
Comment by Steve posted on
2 years to either ride as a learner on L-Plates OR take the test. You have a choice of A1, A2 or A dependant on you're age.
As a full licence holder you are safer, more knowledgeable, take pillions, ride on motorways, get cheaper insurance AND are statistically much less likely to be involved in an accident.
Don't want to redo CBT every two years? then pass the theory test & take yourself to test on your own 125, once you pass then you never have to take a CBT again!
The only gripe we have is a different theory test for each type of vehicle that you would like to take a test on (Bike, Car, HGV & PSV) A far more suitable option would be a ROAD USER Theory Test with then a "bolt on" option for HGV & PSV, this way everyone would get the option of taking a Bike & a Car test within two years.
Also a Road User Theory Test could be rolled out in schools & collages, as pedestrians, cyclists & equestrians are in very much in need of this information before they can apply for a provisional licence that allows them access to a motorised vehicle?
Those who argue that it's just a money making scheme, should try running an ATB (training school) & see just how much money there is to be made!!!!
Proper CBT for someone who has never ridden before is always going to take at least 6 hours (providing they are safe enough to take part in Module E!) So any CBT "retake" course must be a minimum of 4 hours (by law?) to allow for refresher off road elements before the minimum 2 hour (Mod E) road ride.
If taking a repeat CBT it must be taken before the previous certificate expires. We should have also have the option of dating from the expiry date on the original certificate, providing it has at least 30 days to run? (Similar to a M.O.T. vehicle test?)
Comment by Mike Nelson posted on
Money grabbers all round.
CBT`s for whatever it takes until your instructor tells you you are good to go! apply for your test then that`s it, do not pay out any more of your hard earned cash,,
Then enjoy yourself riding safely.
Comment by Biker Baz posted on
Terry (16/03/2016) - As above with response to Pauls comments...do the tests job done....!!!!!!
Comment by lyndon jones posted on
I've been an instructor now for roughly 20 years. In all that time the CBT hasn't changed. Unfortunately because it was initially passed as a law the DVSA cannot change anything without parliament approval which could take up to five years and no government has that much time. The new plans are only advisory and not enforceable. I for one agree that things need to change and I'd be happy to adopt things and move more to client centred learning with knowledge quizzes and more time spent focusing on the needs of the individual, but most schools won't because this takes more time and needs better instructors which effects the bottom line. These same schools block book test slots and give them back at short notice to make things difficult for rival companies. The DVSA are aware of this practice but do nothing to stop it. What incentive is there for me to do things better than the next man when he is allowed to constantly cheat the system to maximise his profits?
Comment by Probike posted on
Training schools handing back tests at short notice should be penalised and aren't, we can't arrange a full course in a 7 day window, but the DVSA make no mention of the number of these cancelled tests that are snapped up for retest! They are not unused resources which is the slant they're trying to give.
Comment by Love biking posted on
1·My gripe anybody passing there motorcycle test in the sixties and seventies can go out an ride on the roads the the biggest cc bike without any lessons if they haven't driven a bike for 40yrs.
2·Anybody before January 2013 who passed on a 125 cc. Could after two years depending on age obtain a full A licence then ride a bigger cc bike without any lessons.
3· Now's theirs me passed the 125cc test theory,practical first time at 67 after Jan 2013, just had 8 hrs lesson on a 650 Yamaha easily the most safest and a pleasure to drive ready for another mod 1 & 2
4· Now I have to do it all over again WHY I have been driving since 1966 all over the world have a Full THAI motorcycle licence ( try answering 50 questions on Thai law) years drove all around Europe,Australian,America.
5·Surely to elimate 1 & 2 above, a course from bikers riding school of so many hours to be be passed fit for rideing bigger cc bikes on the highway not another mod 1 & 2
6· The mod 1 it either wants changing or scraping who in the there right mind is going to do a u turn without stopping looking both ways then using your feet for stability to set off safely, also no filter ride you should a have stripp of tarmac between cones say 18 inches wide for 40 ft to see if you
can drive a bike straight.
7· Driving age & experience should count when considering categories one test pass the a bikers school for any bigger cc bike from than what you passed on